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TEW

28.10.2005

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20.11.2006, 19:34

Investment Neu programm Trading , Hiyp usw.. aus Deutschland

Also ich hab hier etwas neues gefunden und weiß bisher noch nicht wer dahinter steckt genau und ob dies wirklich funktioniert.

Sie beschreiben den Handel mit MTN, SLC usw... und verschieden InvestmentProgrammen die bis zu 300% bringen sollen im Jahr zumindestens die Homepage habe ich beoabachtet jetzt ein Jahr lang und es gibt sie noch.

www.europa-investmentgroup.com

Wer kann etwas dazu sagen wer dahinter steckt?
Funktionieren die Programme?
Info please ???

Bevor vielleicht wieder Naive menschen ihr gut und hart verdientes Geld verlieren.

rolfleonhard

05.11.2005

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Beruf: Technologie-Berater

05.12.2006, 19:17

das Impressum enthält eine weitere domain von H. Goebel: domain: service-investment.com created: 05-Nov-2004 last-changed: 09-Dec-2005 registration-expiration: 05-Nov-2006 nserver: ns39.1und1.de nserver: ns40.1und1.de registrant-firstname: Werner registrant-lastname: Goebel registrant-organization: Contex GmbH registrant-street1: Westhofener Weg 1 registrant-pcode: 14129 registrant-city: Berlin registrant-ccode: DE registrant-phone: +49-3080498821 registrant-email: (Sie können diese E-Mail Adresse erst sehen, wenn Sie mindestens Premium-User sind.) kennt die Firma jemand? Hallo BaFin, steht die Firma auf eurer Zulassungsliste?

rolfleonhard

05.11.2005

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Beruf: Technologie-Berater

05.12.2006, 19:40

nachträglich:
falls jemand selbst mal bei BaFin nachsehen will, was Sache ist,
hier deren website mit den Datenbanken:

http://www.bafin.de/cgi-bin/bafin.pl?verz=0901000000&sprache=0&filter=&ntick=0

slapek

inaktiv

12.01.2007, 07:40

es gibt kein trading !

Uncovering secret market fraud

No honest, competent banker would believe in a secret market for banks where profits of
two per cent a week can be earned without any risk to capital. Nevertheless, there are
numerous intermediaries who say they have been introduced to bankers who say they trade
in such a market.

Myth - banks trade in discounted instruments

Banks issue instruments at substantial discounts to other banks. The instrument is called a
prime bank guarantee , a standby letter of credit , a blocked funds certificate or something
similar. They all offer some kind of promise that a bank will pay a sum of money at a
future date - an instrument for which there is no recognised market.

Attention tends to focus on the instrument rather than the substantial discount. Standby
letters of credit do, of course, exist but by their nature they cannot logically be traded
separately from the obligation they guarantee; blocked funds also exist and it is easier to
imagine a market for them similar to the market in third world debt.

Typically the issuing bank is said to be one of the top 25 world banks (a prime bank) and
instruments from a selection (or menu ) of issuing banks may be offered. The discount is
said to be much more than the amount required to allow for interest. The issuing bank will
be said to be receiving, typically, 86 per cent of face value for an instrument with a 7.5 per
cent coupon maturing in a year and a day.

Such generosity is, of course, unthinkable. Why would any banker wish to incur such
losses? Some appear to believe the instrument has been carefully. designed to have a
maturity date of one year and a day - and so, according to the fraudster, it does not have to
be included on the bank's balance sheet. The logical extension of this proposition is that
the banks issuing such instruments are preparing false accounts and may be hopelessly
insolvent.

The secret market is said to be well known to the banking regulators throughout the world
who condone it as a necessary way of managing the money supply. It is also claimed that
banks use the money received to fund credit card business at interest rates of 30 per cent or
so, leaving plenty of margin to pay for the extra discount on the instrument. This
presupposes that other sources of borrowing at cheaper rates have been exhausted.

Myth - banks trade in secret market

Banks are said to trade among themselves in a secret market in instruments and will,
reluctantly and on conditions of the utmost secrecy, permit privileged investors to
participate provided they have the resources and introductions to do so. Banks are said to
deny that the secret market exists or that they participate in it.

Against this it is said that banks would be expected to deny the existence of the market
because if too many people know about it the huge profits would disappear. However hard

investors may try, they will be unable to locate the secret market as it is said to have no
physical location - it is an inter-bank market.

At an early stage in the trading process the instrument , which is for a large sum, is said to
be divided up into smaller, more saleable denominations. This process is said to be carried
out by a cutting house, by someone descended as a master cutter. The smaller
denomination instruments are said to be fresh cut and after they have been around for a
while they become seasoned. The reader should, of course, take this with a large pinch of
salt.

Trades in the secret market always seem to be at a profit and never at a loss. The profit on
each trade is typically described as being two per cent (even though elementary arithmetic
says that if you buy at 86 and sell at 88 your profit is more than that).

After a number of banks have traded the instrument it is sold on to an institutional
investor, at a discount which corresponds to the interest rate, who holds until maturity.

Myth - banks run "roll programmes"

Banks run roll programmes where an investor deposits say $5 million at a bank which is
said to be managing a regular series of purchases and sales of instruments for a group of
investors. This enables much larger sums to be invested and is said to be a market for big
players. Investors with a mere $10 million may find this is their only way to enter the
market.

Investors will be given plausible reasons why the money has to be sent to an overseas
bank. The more likely reason is that it reduces the fraudsters' risk of being prosecuted.
When investors ask for the return of their money they may be told that the programme is in
the middle of a roll or that they cannot withdraw from the programme until there is another
investor willing to join. In reality the money is probably long gone.

How has this fraud survived for so long?

It was the subject of warnings by the British Bankers Association as long ago as 1992 and
banks have long had standard procedures to deal with funny money or ghost money .
Bankers who recognize that their customers are thinking of making this type of investment
tend to discourage their clients but not in terms sufficiently strong enough to persuade
customers that they are likely to incur substantial losses.

Fraudsters will tell customers that they can well understand the warnings the banker has
given; they are a natural consequence of the bad press given to the market. But they say
they have access to another bank that actively trades in the market and will therefore
confirm that the market is genuine.

Myth - money invested is not at risk

Investors may be told that their capital can be held by a fiduciary banker and will not
actually be invested in an instrument or in a roll programme but will remain on deposit,

can be withdrawn at short notice and will not be at any risk at any time. Nevertheless, the
roll programme manager will be able, extraordinarily, to trade in the market and to earn
substantial profits for investors.

It beggars belief that anyone would fall for this story. If managers can trade on credit they
do not need, it would be extraordinarily generous if they shared the (illusory) profit with
investors.

Fraudsters laugh all the way to the bank

The fraudsters who design the pseudo-legal documents typically found in these schemes
seem to have a well developed sense of humour. Usually the gullible would-be investor is
required to state that his funds are "good clean funds of a n on-criminal origin". A recent
variation provided that the agreement would be dissolved "should any party be found
guilty of any unlawful acts; and/or be found guilty, under a United States, Canadian,
Switzerland, United Kingdom, any nation, or Interpol indictment for international bank
fraud".

What can bankers do to stop this fraud?

On 29 march 1994 The Bank of England sent a letter to all authorized institutions asking
that any such schemes should be brought to the attention of its Special Investigations Unit,
notwithstanding any action the institution might take to disclose to the relevant law
enforcement authorities.

Publicity may be helping. Perhaps some would-be investors are being deterred by reading
articles such as this. However fraudsters continue to find victims willing to sacrifice large
sums of money. Bankers approached by customers seeking to open bank accounts through
which trading will be conducted politely decline to open the account and suggest to
customers that they should not get involved. However they are frequently not sufficiently
open with customers to dissuade them.

Fraudsters are likely to tell their intended victims that such a response demonstrates the
market exists but cannot be accessed through that particular bank on that particular day.
Bankers should leave customers in no doubt that they are about to be a victim of fraud and
lose a great sum of money.

The Authors:

Richard Coleman is a Director in the Forensic Services Practice of
PricewaterhouseCoopers. He is a founder member of the National Fraud and Investigations
Group and specialises in investigating banking and investment frauds. In recent years he
has investigated numerous frauds involving instruments in prime banking guarantees and
similar fictitious instruments.

TEW

28.10.2005

Beiträge: 122

12.01.2007, 15:35

Hallo,

geht das vielleicht auch auf Deutsch alles weil soviel hab ich jetzt darauß nicht verstanden, leider.

Thomaeck

22.12.2003

Beiträge: 129

12.01.2007, 16:01

Übersetzung

Hätten wir mal in der Schule aufgepasst...

Aber das www hilft:

http://de.babelfish.yahoo.com/

Text kopieren und einfügen, wenn auch mehr schlecht als recht!

rolfleonhard

05.11.2005

Beiträge: 123

Beruf: Technologie-Berater

12.01.2007, 17:27

wer was zum lachen braucht, sollte unbedingt den text von slapek mit babelfish übersetzen lassen..

viel spass beim rätselraten...

Thomaeck

22.12.2003

Beiträge: 129

13.01.2007, 08:42

Bestseller

@rolfleonhard

Genau deswegen wird es ein Bestseller...

Aber wer zwischen den Zeilen lesen kann, sollte ein wenig vom Text verstehen, oder auch nicht!

TEW

28.10.2005

Beiträge: 122

05.07.2007, 23:36

Trading, MTN, SLC,

GUTEN TAG
es ist jetzt schon eine weile her als ich diesen thread hier öffnete und um Hilfe bat aber leider konnte mir niemand weiterhelfen.

Also darum an alle Gomopa User u. viell. auch moderator

Hat jemand damit schon Erfahrungen gemacht, kennt jemand die Traiding Programme des Herrn Werner Göbel ... soweit ich von einem bekannten weiß sprach er von einer BAFIN Zulassung und auch von hohen garantieren Renditen.

Also zumindestens die Homepage gibt es schon seit einer Weile würde ich sagen

http://www.europa-investmentgroup.com/4817/14301.html[/quote]

TEW

28.10.2005

Beiträge: 122

06.07.2007, 00:10

ICC internationale handelskammer Berlin

Hier noch ein Auszug über eine Link der Homepage wo ich doch sehr verwunderlich finde da man zur ICC kommt und dort nach eigenen recherchen dies hier findet .... Bankpraxis und Finanzen Betrügereien mit Dokumenten erstklassiger Banken (2. erg. Aufl., 1996) Publ.Nr.: 559, Sprache: D 29,96 EUR Kleinere und mittelständische Unternehmen haben bei Kreditinstituten wiederholt um Beratung zu diversen Finanzprodukten gebeten, die man unter dem Oberbegriff "Prime Bank Instruments" (Dokumente erstklassiger Banken) fassen kann. Diese Produkte wurden anfragenden Unternehmen regelmäßig von dubiosen Finanzmaklern angedient, wobei es sich entweder um äußerst lukrative Finanzprodukte mit in Aussicht gestellten Renditen von 100% p.a. und mehr handeln sollte oder um einfache und günstige Mittel zur Aufnahme von Geldern, die zwischen international agierenden Banken angeblich fest definierte und gängige Produkte seien. Wegen ihrer hohen Profitabilität würden diese Produkte von den beteiligten Banken aber nur einer ausgesuchten Kundschaft als "Geheimtip" angeboten. Angesichts der offerierten Renditen und Volumina ist es offensichtlich, daß diese Transaktionen äußerst fragwürdig sind. Da zu befürchten ist, daß sich dieser Trend weiter fortsetzt hat die Internationale Handelskammer (International Chamber of Commerce, ICC) in Zusammenarbeit mit dem Deutschen Sparkassen- und Giroverband (DSGV) im Herbst 1996 eine überarbeitete und erweiterte 2. Auflage der Publikation Betrügereien mit Dokumenten erstklassiger Banken (Publikation Nr. 559) herausgegeben. Dieser Sonderbericht befaßt sich - wie schon die 1. Auflage aus dem Jahre 1994 - ausführlich mit betrügerischen Anlagemodellen, die den Kauf beziehungsweise Verkauf von Prime Bank Instruments beinhalten. Diese Prime Bank Instruments - darunter sind Standby Letters of Credit (Akkreditive mit garantieähnlichem Charakter), Prime Bank Notes (Solawechsel erstklassiger Banken) und Prime Bank Guarantees (Garantien erstklassiger Banken) zu verstehen - werden weltweit von Betrügern und unseriösen Finanzmaklern und Kreditvermittlern angeboten. Nach Schätzung des Bundeskriminalamtes verlieren deutsche Anleger jährlich annähernd 40 Mrd. DM durch Finanzbetrug und betrügerische Finanzberatung. Die Internationale Handelskammer (ICC) setzt daher mit dieser Publikation, die sich an Anleger, Banken und andere Vermittler von Finanzdiensten auf der ganzen Welt wendet, ihre Aufklärungskampagne fort. 1996. Gh. 76 Seiten. ISBN-10: 3-929621-52-5 bzw. ISBN-13: 978-3-929621-52-5 desweiteren habe ich auch nur das bisher gefunden Domain Name: EUROPA-INVESTMENTGROUP.COM Registrar: SCHLUND+PARTNER AG Whois Server: whois.schlund.info Referral URL: http://registrar.schlund.info Name Server: NS39.1UND1.DE Name Server: NS40.1UND1.DE Status: ok Updated Date: 23-nov-2006 Creation Date: 05-nov-2004 Expiration Date: 05-nov-2007 >>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:20:47 UTC <<< NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring registrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration. 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TEW

28.10.2005

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06.07.2007, 00:37

www.contex-os.com Contex

Hier taucht plötzlich Herr Glöbel auch noch auf der scheint vieles zu können domain: contex-os.com created: 19-Nov-2004 last-changed: 19-Nov-2006 registration-expiration: 19-Nov-2007 nserver: ns39.1und1.de nserver: ns40.1und1.de status: CLIENT-TRANSFER-PROHIBITED registrant-firstname: Werner registrant-lastname: Goebel registrant-organization: Contex GmbH registrant-street1: Westhofener Weg 1 registrant-pcode: 14129 registrant-city: Berlin registrant-ccode: DE registrant-phone: +49.3080498821 registrant-email: (Sie können diese E-Mail Adresse erst sehen, wenn Sie mindestens Premium-User sind.) admin-c-firstname: Werner admin-c-lastname: Goebel admin-c-organization: Contex GmbH admin-c-street1: Westhofener Weg 1 admin-c-pcode: 14129 admin-c-city: Berlin admin-c-ccode: DE admin-c-phone: +49.3080498821 admin-c-email: [E-Mail anzeigen]

TEW

28.10.2005

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25.02.2011, 00:58

Zumindestens das Unternehmen besteht immer noch seit Jahren!

TEW

28.10.2005

Beiträge: 122

25.11.2011, 14:50

Trading

DAnn bin ich ja mal gespannt was dabei rauskommt. Immerhin gibt es die Firma, Homepage und Herrn Werner Göbel schon paar Jahre und zumindestens konnte ja hier niemand mit irgend etwas negativen Berichten.

Vielleicht ist dass dann das erste Tradingprogramm das funktioniert hat und noch funktioniert......

Zu Ihrer Geschichte klingt ja wirklich komisch da räumt einer ein Firmenkonto sozusagen leer um es bei dieser Firma zu investieren ....als Ziel wahrscheinlich Profit zumachen und den Betrag wieder zurück zu zahlen oder?

Grüße

Oliver0609

29.07.2011

Beiträge: 24

25.11.2011, 14:53

So wird das sein, erst mal "Geld borgen" und dann wieder zurückzahlen :-(, gibt schon komische Leute.

St. Moritz

25.10.2007

Beiträge: 142

26.11.2011, 07:40

Guten Tag werte Forumsleser

Falls möglich. könnten jemand vielleicht noch etwas genauer über das Trading Angebot von Herrn W. Göbel Auskunft geben? Danke.

Grüsse
St. Moritz

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